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Abdul Rehman Antulay, 52, the first Muslim chief minister of Maharashtra, not only acknowledges this but unabashedly boasts of his dependence on the central power house, Mrs Gandhi. <br><br>Antulay has been one of the most loyal political retainers of the prime minister, sticking with her through thick and thin, swearing vociferous allegiance to Mrs Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi, and now Rajiv Gandhi, carefully building up for himself the image of the most faithful of the faithful.<br><br>Antulay has proved to be a diligent student of Mrs Gandhi, in declaring a number of widely-publicised populist measures. The most well-known are the Sanjay Gandhi Niradhar Anudan Yojana to offer succour to the destitute and the disabled, the Sanjay Gandhi Swavalamban Yojana which grants loans free of interest and without security to unemployed youth so that they can set up their own enterprises, the Indira Gandhi Pratibha Pratisthan, which gives financial aid to writers and artists. <br><br>Besides such benevolence, Antulay has also appointed a committee headed by Ajit Kerkar of the Tata group of industries to look into the problem of slums in Bombay. J.R.D. Tata himself has been asked to look into ways of clearing the congestion in the city. He has had a long-winded ordinance promulgated: The Maharashtra Prevention of Dangerous Activities of Slum-lords. Bootleggers and Drug Offenders Ordinance, 1981. All in all, the tenure of the man with the flashing smile and the flopping locks has been a dazzling display of perpetual motion.<br><br>He vehemently denies that his schemes are short-term populist measures. He claims to have got the money for them through better management of resources, although his critics accuse him of diverting funds from long-term developmental projects which will now take longer to complete.<br><br>Antulay is a change from the old plodding style of cud-chewing Congressmen. He's articulate, sharp and aggressive. Even his banalities have a sense of urgency. His need to show an impatient dynamism often lands him with his feet in his mouth. But somehow they are accommodated in all the flurry of activity. Oblivious of criticism he continues on his impetuous path, showing off his dynamism in moves like the recent ruthless eviction of slum dwellers from Bombay pavements in pouring rain.<br><br>The chief minister's relationship with Mrs Gandhi provides insights into the way she holds her satraps on a firm leash. He is completely dependent on her for his power. Last fortnight, he camped in Delhi for a day, trying to secure the go ahead to drop six ministers from his Cabinet, including Finance Minister Ramrao Adik, who has been a continual thorn in the chief minister's side. Mrs Gandhi, through Rajiv Gandhi, let him know that she did not favour any reconstitution of the cabinet just now, and Antulay went back disappointed. Such a subservient attitude towards the powers that be indicates that there is little need for the presidential government that Antulay so vociferously advocates.<br><br>Last month, he spoke to</i>India Today<i> Editor </i>Aroon Purie<i> at Varsha, the chief minister's bungalow on Bombay's Malabar Hill. Unshaven and dressed in a kurta-pyjama he spoke animatedly about his relations with the Nehru family and his achievements as chief minister. Excerpts:<br></i><br><b>Q. Your loyalty to Mrs Gandhi is well-known. Can you tell us outside that what your general political philosophy is?<br>A.</b>Well, my loyalty is born out of political philosophy. There is nothing outside or inside. I am with Mrs Indira Gandhi because she stands for secularism, socialism; her programme is for the poor. Her leadership is accepted both in the south and the north, east and west. She symbolises the country and the nation.<br><br><b>Q. But if she retires from politics, would you also retire?<br>A. </b>Well, I think you have not understood the real concept of loyalty. The concept of loyalty is not that you retire when your leader retires. Firstly, yours is a very hypothetical question. If I am an honest follower, which I claim I am, I would not permit her as a follower to retire. I will insist that she does not and I am sure that she will not retire. So the question of retirement does not arise. And when I say she symbolises the nation, there is no retirement for any nation whatsoever. And a person who is in service of the nation keeps on serving in whatever capacity. Mrs Gandhi was serving the nation even when she was out of power. That is why people again wished her back almost literally into the seat of power. So the question of retirement does not fit in well in regard to the discussions we are carrying on. And certainly it has no place in a discussion of loyalty.<br><b><br></b><table><tbody><tr><td><b>I deal with him because Mr Rajiv Gandhi has his own personality, he is a wise man, a noble man... I have known him for a long time and I was with them during the times of affluence and of power. I was with them and nobody was there. Very few were there. </b><br></td></tr></tbody></table><b>Q. Under Mrs Gandhi's premiership do you see a change in the role of the chief minister?<br>A. </b>Mrs Gandhi is action-oriented and result-oriented. She wants the programme to be implemented. The one things she seeks is to ease the implementing of the programme. Whereas if you ask me I would look to two things. One, the loyalty to Mrs Gandhi, both personally and politically, and secondly implementation of the programme. Loyalty to me comes first, implementation comes next. To her implementation comes first.<br><b><br>Q. Why does loyalty come first to you?<br>A.</b>Because you must have basic faith in the programme for implementation. You can't have faith in implementation if you have no faith in the programme. You can't have faith in the programme unless you have got faith in the leader who initiates the programme.<br><b><br>Q. Does this entail the frequent visits you make to Delhi?<br>A.</b>You don't know the working of a quasi-federal government. How many things are in Delhi? How many departments are in Delhi, where you have to go? I keep on going to Delhi because fortunately I have developed close contacts with all those ministers. I want to cash in on those contacts for the good of the state where I am the chief minister. I can sit back here. But if suppose because of my contacts and meeting and discussing and persuading them I can get some better things done for the state, why should I deny that to myself?<br><b><br>Q. Your most publicised visits are the ones where you have presented a book to Mrs Gandhi on Rajiv Gandhi or for consulting Rajiv Gandhi. Is that for the benefit of the state?<br>A. </b>No. It is the angle which you see, your glasses are that coloured. What can I do? But there are many people who know why I go. It depends upon your attitude. If you see something in a jaundiced way how can you see anything except yellow?<br><b><br>Q. What are the extraordinary benefits which you have gained for the state by going to Delhi?<br>A.</b>That is for the people to say and people do say so. On the completion of one year in office, not less than 110 publications - weeklies, bi-weeklies, fortnightlies, and dailies in Maharashtra from village, taluka, and district right up to the state level have written editorials and have taken out special numbers saying that nobody within a year has done,so much. I should not say so, but it is there as a fact.<br><br><b>Q. Does your loyalty to Mrs Gandhi automatically mean loyalty to Mrs Gandhi's family?<br>A.</b>I have got loyalty to the Nehru family, for your information. I honestly believe that the Nehru family is giving continuity. Continuity is required for stability. Stability is essentially an invariable part of any democracy.<br><br><b>Q. According to Indian tradition can't Rajiv Gandhi be regarded as being from Feroze Gandhi's family and not the Nehru's?<br>A.</b>What your traditions are I don't know. My traditions are that Rajiv Gandhi is an inheritor of the Nehru family.<br><b><br>Q. Do you look to him for political leadership?<br>A. </b>I have already said that he is my leader and I was the first to invite him to take part in active politics. I was the first to say that you may please contest and I was the first to say that he should take up leadership. It is my view and I am entitled to my own view.<br><br><b>Q. How did you detect his qualities of leadership so early since at the time of your suggestion in June 1980 he was just a pilot?<br>A.</b>I have known Mr Rajiv Gandhi for long. I know the Nehru family well. I was with them in the worst of times. You were not there, so you cannot say I didn't know Rajiv Gandhi.<br><b><br>Q. If you were so sure of his leadership qualities why didn't you suggest it before the death of Sanjay Gandhi?<br>A.</b>You see, when I should suggest is a matter of timing. You should first agree that my suggestion is not wrong. Then I will talk about the timing.<br><br><b>Q. Officially he is only an MP. How do you feel it proper for you to consult him about matters of state?<br>A. </b>I only consult him about organisational matters.<br><b><br>Q. But he is not even an office-bearer in the Congress Party.<br>A.</b>He does not have to be. In my organisational matters who I should consult is none of your concern. If I consult in state matters, yes, that is your concern. Till you become a four-anna member or a one-rupee member of my organisation, you have no right to ask me what I should do and what 1 should not do, organisationally.<br><br>Suppose tomorrow I feel that you are a sympathiser of my organisation, and you are gracious and you are a wise man, I may consult you in organisational matters. You would like to add that I am doing it because he is Mrs Gandhi's son. You see I am not doing that because he is Mrs Gandhi's son. I deal with him because Mr Rajiv Gandhi has his own personality, he is a wise man, a nobel man. I told you just now, I have known him for a long and I was with them during the times of afluence and of power, I was with them and nobody was there. Very few were there. So you cannot say that about me. Thank you very much.<br><br><b>Q. But besides organisational matters, you also declared to the press that you would consider it an honour if Rajiv Gandhi agreed to discuss your Cabinet reshuffle with you.<br>A.</b>I said if he wants to (discuss the reshuffle) I will it.<br><b><br>Q. But this is nor an organisational matter.<br>A. </b>You are nobody but if you say that Mr Antulay. I know Mr so-and-so legislator, I would want that he should be a minister. I am not saying you don't say. Now the formation of the Cabinet is not a govern-mental activity. It is an organisational activity, for your information. And the Congress constitution says it has to be cleared by the Congress Parliamentary Board. If the Cabinet is formed, it becomes a government But formation of the Cabinet is an organisational activity.<br><b><br>Q. But he is not a member of the Parliamentary Board.<br>A. </b>Even if a friend of mine is not a Congressman, I can consult him; in the sense if he wants to come forward with certain suggestions, he is welcome.<br><b><br>Q. Why do you feel the need for reshuffling ? Is it because of the dissidence?<br>A.</b>It is the prerogative of every chief minister and I don't think any chief minister should publicly discuss these things.<br><b><br>Q. Do you feel yourself politically insecure in Maharashtra?<br>A.</b>My party is very much secure. No question of individual feeling of security. The individual should be there till, the leader wants. And I am a disciplined soldier and till Mrs Gandhi wants me to be here. I am here, and nobody can touch me.<br><br><b>Q. And you will go when Mrs Gandhi wants?<br>A.</b>Certainly. Whenever Mrs Gandhi orders me to go, I will go. I think that you should know, because I was with her in 1977-79 (when she was out of office) l did'nt have any position or post then.<br><div id="tab-link-wrapper-plugin"><div class="authors__container"><div class="authors__by"><div class="authlable">Published By: </div><div class="authdetaisl">AtMigration </div></div><div class="published__on"><div class="authlable">Published On: </div><div class="authdetaisl">Nov 13, 2013 14:44 IST</div></div></div><div class="sendros">--- ENDS ---</div></div>

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<div class="itg-mosimage"><div class="itgimage"><img  title=""  class="" alt="" src="https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/sites/media2/indiatoday/images/stories/1981August/abdul_111313031114.jpg" loading="lazy" /></div>Chief Minister Antulay: My loyalty is born out of political philosophy</div><i>A former chief minister of Maharashtra once said: "Antulay is like a multipurpose gadget which runs only on electricity. As long as the electricity keeps coming he performs well." Abdul Rehman Antulay, 52, the first Muslim chief minister of Maharashtra, not only acknowledges this but unabashedly boasts of his dependence on the central power house, Mrs Gandhi. <br><br>Antulay has been one of the most loyal political retainers of the prime minister, sticking with her through thick and thin, swearing vociferous allegiance to Mrs Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi, and now Rajiv Gandhi, carefully building up for himself the image of the most faithful of the faithful.<br><br>Antulay has proved to be a diligent student of Mrs Gandhi, in declaring a number of widely-publicised populist measures. The most well-known are the Sanjay Gandhi Niradhar Anudan Yojana to offer succour to the destitute and the disabled, the Sanjay Gandhi Swavalamban Yojana which grants loans free of interest and without security to unemployed youth so that they can set up their own enterprises, the Indira Gandhi Pratibha Pratisthan, which gives financial aid to writers and artists. <br><br>Besides such benevolence, Antulay has also appointed a committee headed by Ajit Kerkar of the Tata group of industries to look into the problem of slums in Bombay. J.R.D. Tata himself has been asked to look into ways of clearing the congestion in the city. He has had a long-winded ordinance promulgated: The Maharashtra Prevention of Dangerous Activities of Slum-lords. Bootleggers and Drug Offenders Ordinance, 1981. All in all, the tenure of the man with the flashing smile and the flopping locks has been a dazzling display of perpetual motion.<br><br>He vehemently denies that his schemes are short-term populist measures. He claims to have got the money for them through better management of resources, although his critics accuse him of diverting funds from long-term developmental projects which will now take longer to complete.<br><br>Antulay is a change from the old plodding style of cud-chewing Congressmen. He's articulate, sharp and aggressive. Even his banalities have a sense of urgency. His need to show an impatient dynamism often lands him with his feet in his mouth. But somehow they are accommodated in all the flurry of activity. Oblivious of criticism he continues on his impetuous path, showing off his dynamism in moves like the recent ruthless eviction of slum dwellers from Bombay pavements in pouring rain.<br><br>The chief minister's relationship with Mrs Gandhi provides insights into the way she holds her satraps on a firm leash. He is completely dependent on her for his power. Last fortnight, he camped in Delhi for a day, trying to secure the go ahead to drop six ministers from his Cabinet, including Finance Minister Ramrao Adik, who has been a continual thorn in the chief minister's side. Mrs Gandhi, through Rajiv Gandhi, let him know that she did not favour any reconstitution of the cabinet just now, and Antulay went back disappointed. Such a subservient attitude towards the powers that be indicates that there is little need for the presidential government that Antulay so vociferously advocates.<br><br>Last month, he spoke to</i>India Today<i> Editor </i>Aroon Purie<i> at Varsha, the chief minister's bungalow on Bombay's Malabar Hill. Unshaven and dressed in a kurta-pyjama he spoke animatedly about his relations with the Nehru family and his achievements as chief minister. Excerpts:<br></i><br><b>Q. Your loyalty to Mrs Gandhi is well-known. Can you tell us outside that what your general political philosophy is?<br>A.</b>Well, my loyalty is born out of political philosophy. There is nothing outside or inside. I am with Mrs Indira Gandhi because she stands for secularism, socialism; her programme is for the poor. Her leadership is accepted both in the south and the north, east and west. She symbolises the country and the nation.<br><br><b>Q. But if she retires from politics, would you also retire?<br>A. </b>Well, I think you have not understood the real concept of loyalty. The concept of loyalty is not that you retire when your leader retires. Firstly, yours is a very hypothetical question. If I am an honest follower, which I claim I am, I would not permit her as a follower to retire. I will insist that she does not and I am sure that she will not retire. So the question of retirement does not arise. And when I say she symbolises the nation, there is no retirement for any nation whatsoever. And a person who is in service of the nation keeps on serving in whatever capacity. Mrs Gandhi was serving the nation even when she was out of power. That is why people again wished her back almost literally into the seat of power. So the question of retirement does not fit in well in regard to the discussions we are carrying on. And certainly it has no place in a discussion of loyalty.<br><b><br></b><table style="margin-left: 8px; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);" align="right" border="1" height="49" width="252" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="3"><tbody><tr><td><b>I deal with him because Mr Rajiv Gandhi has his own personality, he is a wise man, a noble man... I have known him for a long time and I was with them during the times of affluence and of power. I was with them and nobody was there. Very few were there. </b><br></td></tr></tbody></table><b>Q. Under Mrs Gandhi's premiership do you see a change in the role of the chief minister?<br>A. </b>Mrs Gandhi is action-oriented and result-oriented. She wants the programme to be implemented. The one things she seeks is to ease the implementing of the programme. Whereas if you ask me I would look to two things. One, the loyalty to Mrs Gandhi, both personally and politically, and secondly implementation of the programme. Loyalty to me comes first, implementation comes next. To her implementation comes first.<br><b><br>Q. Why does loyalty come first to you?<br>A.</b>Because you must have basic faith in the programme for implementation. You can't have faith in implementation if you have no faith in the programme. You can't have faith in the programme unless you have got faith in the leader who initiates the programme.<br><b><br>Q. Does this entail the frequent visits you make to Delhi?<br>A.</b>You don't know the working of a quasi-federal government. How many things are in Delhi? How many departments are in Delhi, where you have to go? I keep on going to Delhi because fortunately I have developed close contacts with all those ministers. I want to cash in on those contacts for the good of the state where I am the chief minister. I can sit back here. But if suppose because of my contacts and meeting and discussing and persuading them I can get some better things done for the state, why should I deny that to myself?<br><b><br>Q. Your most publicised visits are the ones where you have presented a book to Mrs Gandhi on Rajiv Gandhi or for consulting Rajiv Gandhi. Is that for the benefit of the state?<br>A. </b>No. It is the angle which you see, your glasses are that coloured. What can I do? But there are many people who know why I go. It depends upon your attitude. If you see something in a jaundiced way how can you see anything except yellow?<br><b><br>Q. What are the extraordinary benefits which you have gained for the state by going to Delhi?<br>A.</b>That is for the people to say and people do say so. On the completion of one year in office, not less than 110 publications - weeklies, bi-weeklies, fortnightlies, and dailies in Maharashtra from village, taluka, and district right up to the state level have written editorials and have taken out special numbers saying that nobody within a year has done,so much. I should not say so, but it is there as a fact.<br><br><b>Q. Does your loyalty to Mrs Gandhi automatically mean loyalty to Mrs Gandhi's family?<br>A.</b>I have got loyalty to the Nehru family, for your information. I honestly believe that the Nehru family is giving continuity. Continuity is required for stability. Stability is essentially an invariable part of any democracy.<br><br><b>Q. According to Indian tradition can't Rajiv Gandhi be regarded as being from Feroze Gandhi's family and not the Nehru's?<br>A.</b>What your traditions are I don't know. My traditions are that Rajiv Gandhi is an inheritor of the Nehru family.<br><b><br>Q. Do you look to him for political leadership?<br>A. </b>I have already said that he is my leader and I was the first to invite him to take part in active politics. I was the first to say that you may please contest and I was the first to say that he should take up leadership. It is my view and I am entitled to my own view.<br><br><b>Q. How did you detect his qualities of leadership so early since at the time of your suggestion in June 1980 he was just a pilot?<br>A.</b>I have known Mr Rajiv Gandhi for long. I know the Nehru family well. I was with them in the worst of times. You were not there, so you cannot say I didn't know Rajiv Gandhi.<br><b><br>Q. If you were so sure of his leadership qualities why didn't you suggest it before the death of Sanjay Gandhi?<br>A.</b>You see, when I should suggest is a matter of timing. You should first agree that my suggestion is not wrong. Then I will talk about the timing.<br><br><b>Q. Officially he is only an MP. How do you feel it proper for you to consult him about matters of state?<br>A. </b>I only consult him about organisational matters.<br><b><br>Q. But he is not even an office-bearer in the Congress Party.<br>A.</b>He does not have to be. In my organisational matters who I should consult is none of your concern. If I consult in state matters, yes, that is your concern. Till you become a four-anna member or a one-rupee member of my organisation, you have no right to ask me what I should do and what 1 should not do, organisationally.<br><br>Suppose tomorrow I feel that you are a sympathiser of my organisation, and you are gracious and you are a wise man, I may consult you in organisational matters. You would like to add that I am doing it because he is Mrs Gandhi's son. You see I am not doing that because he is Mrs Gandhi's son. I deal with him because Mr Rajiv Gandhi has his own personality, he is a wise man, a nobel man. I told you just now, I have known him for a long and I was with them during the times of afluence and of power, I was with them and nobody was there. Very few were there. So you cannot say that about me. Thank you very much.<br><br><b>Q. But besides organisational matters, you also declared to the press that you would consider it an honour if Rajiv Gandhi agreed to discuss your Cabinet reshuffle with you.<br>A.</b>I said if he wants to (discuss the reshuffle) I will it.<br><b><br>Q. But this is nor an organisational matter.<br>A. </b>You are nobody but if you say that Mr Antulay. I know Mr so-and-so legislator, I would want that he should be a minister. I am not saying you don't say. Now the formation of the Cabinet is not a govern-mental activity. It is an organisational activity, for your information. And the Congress constitution says it has to be cleared by the Congress Parliamentary Board. If the Cabinet is formed, it becomes a government But formation of the Cabinet is an organisational activity.<br><b><br>Q. But he is not a member of the Parliamentary Board.<br>A. </b>Even if a friend of mine is not a Congressman, I can consult him; in the sense if he wants to come forward with certain suggestions, he is welcome.<br><b><br>Q. Why do you feel the need for reshuffling ? Is it because of the dissidence?<br>A.</b>It is the prerogative of every chief minister and I don't think any chief minister should publicly discuss these things.<br><b><br>Q. Do you feel yourself politically insecure in Maharashtra?<br>A.</b>My party is very much secure. No question of individual feeling of security. The individual should be there till, the leader wants. And I am a disciplined soldier and till Mrs Gandhi wants me to be here. I am here, and nobody can touch me.<br><br><b>Q. And you will go when Mrs Gandhi wants?<br>A.</b>Certainly. Whenever Mrs Gandhi orders me to go, I will go. I think that you should know, because I was with her in 1977-79 (when she was out of office) l did'nt have any position or post then.<br><div id="tab-link-wrapper-plugin"><div class="authors__container"><div class="authors__by"><div class="authlable">Published By: </div><div class="authdetaisl">AtMigration </div></div><div class="published__on"><div class="authlable">Published On: </div><div class="authdetaisl">Nov 13, 2013 14:44 IST</div></div></div><div class="sendros">--- ENDS ---</div></div>

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Antulay has been one of the most loyal political retainers of the prime minister, sticking with her through thick and thin, swearing vociferous allegiance to Mrs Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi, and now Rajiv Gandhi, carefully building up for himself the image of the most faithful of the faithful.

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